iPhone for Verizon?

Category: Cell Phone Talk

Post 1 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Friday, 04-Feb-2011 23:09:40

Is anyone getting this phone? I preordered mine yesterday, and should have it in my hand on Monday. I'm glad the most accessible smartphone is now on the nation's most reliable network, and I'm looking forward to the promise of everything that Android wasn't! Besides, it'll save me money, as I can now dump my data card subscription.

Post 2 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Saturday, 05-Feb-2011 0:44:57

no, I did not get this phone, even though I wanted to. I didn't get it for a whole variety of reasons.

1. I don't like the way Verizon is treating their existing customers. There are only a limited number of phones for existing customers, and they all sold out in one day. I understand that their goal is to reel in new customers, but they're not going to help themselves by pissing off their current clientell. Along with that, they didn't come out with full information about the IPhone, its costs, and so on, until the day of pre-order. They didn't release that info to the public, or even their own Customer service representatives. So, I called with questions, and got different answers from each CSR I spoke to, because VZW corporate had not provided them with the necessary info to answer customer questions. It's not the CSR's fault, I don't blame them. Again, though, a shitty way to treat your customers.

2. Even though I'm literally within two weeks of my upgrade, VZW was going to make me pay full retail price for the phone, which is 649 dollars. Insane, especially when I was told that for existing customers, it would only be 199? WTF? No way i'm spending 649 dollars on a phone, no matter how much I want it.

3. I don't think VZW's network is going to be equipped to handle the influx it's about to get. So many IPhones have already been ordered, with more to come. I think there will be huge bugs in the whole system at first, that will need time to be worked out.

4. And, last of all, I hear tell that the IPhone 5 will be coming out in late June or early July. You can bet AT&T will have it before VZW, and if people go bananas and order the IPhone 4 now, they won't be eligible for an upgrade for two more years. So, I plan to wait till at least the IPhone 5 comes out, if I even upgrade at all.

I really do want the phone, and usually love Verizon, but not so sure in this case.

Post 3 by BigDogDaddy (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Saturday, 05-Feb-2011 6:34:44

@post two, not sure what you meant about not coming out with pricing until the day before, The phones pricing was covered in full at the initial launch event, and the data packages were covered nearly two weeks ago on VZW's earnings call. I ordered mine pre-order, on thursday morning, and much to my delight found that they were allowing me to use my last every two discount, which meant I recieved my phones for $149 each! I certainly didn't expect that, so I actually saved 100 bucks. I respect your opinion that an iPhone 5 will probably launch at some point and time and there will be a lot of customers locked in to contracts, but for those of us who really need an accessible phone for work/business this couldn't have come at a better time. My android experience had pretty much hit rock bottom, and going back to windows mobile simpley wasn't an option. I don't think we'll see the influx in network speeds and call quality that at&t saw because VZW has had 4 years to prepare for this event, moreover, they already have milions of android phones successfully using their network, many of these subscribers like myself, have said they'll be switching to an iPhone. So, since these phones already had data plans, that's one less poppulace of users that won't be adding data, as they'll have already had it. THe other reason for me to get in now was the unlimted data package. SInce VZW has anounced at some point and time they'll move to a teered system, I thought getting in now while there was an unlimeted plan was smart for me. Just some early morning pre-coffee observations.

Post 4 by spfan15 (O&A Party Rock!!!) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 8:52:45

I hate to shoot all your dreams down, but with post two, number three is absolutely correct. Since people are going to be running to jump on their iPhones the first day they get them, the netowrk is going to be sooo clogged up. CDMA will not be able to handle all that data. Also, with the iPhone on Verizon, you will only to be able to use one or the other. I'm talking about data and talking. For example, if you're on the phone, you won't be able to use the internet or any apps that run on your internet, and when you're using the internet and using data, your phone will go straight to voice mail. I just think for the people who pre-ordered their iPhones on Verizon should have waited. I wish the best of luck on you guys. Hope you're satisfied.
I will continue to love my iPhone 4 on my AT&t network.
Not trying to be an asshole, at all. I promise.

Post 5 by BigDogDaddy (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 9:11:28

What would be the point of waiting. Many of us have waited for years. I waited since the launch of the 3gs almost switching to at&t several times, being very glad I didn't. SO much is made about phone calls and data to witch my point is, "so what". I mean for years with mobile speak many users of smart phones never had access to this anyways. I'm not saying perhaps to some it's not important, but given the alternatives, you'd have to tell me what verizon could offer me that could be any better than the feature set offered by an iPhone on the VZW network. I'm not an at&t basher, in fact, I had Their service for 6 years prior to making the switch. Reality of the fact is, VZW has had 4 years of testing and AT&T screw ups to prepare for a successful launch!

Post 6 by starfly (99956) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 10:01:20

actually with the HD2 I can serf the web check my email and use an internet app. I know apple to oranges when it comes to the Iphone. Currently reading text messeges on the HD2 is a pain trying to get this fix. Not very happy at this time with codefactery because I brought this up several times with them.

Post 7 by starfly (99956) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 11:57:20

Fore an update, Codefactery is awear of the text messeging HD2 issue and is working on it! :)

Post 8 by BigDogDaddy (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 13:12:37

To get back to the original posters topic I got my iPhone today at 11:00 and had it up and running within 5 minutes. Couldn't have gone smoother. Call quality even downstairs in my basement/office is amazing considering I couldn't even get one bar there with my motorola droid!

Post 9 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 15:14:05

Honestly, this comes down to simply having more options. People now have the choice to use this phone on more than one network. Do I personally think the verizon iPhone is what I need? No. But about 70% of verizon's customers believe it is what they need/want. Considering that on VZW alittle less than 25 percent of their subscriber base is on smartphones with data packages now, i'm quite interested to see how this goes. I'm not trying to sound like a jackass here, or to shoot anyone/anything down right out of the gate, but I'd honestly bet that at least in some areas of the country, their's going to be alot more demand than people truely anticipate.
I've hurd conflicting reports on all of this. People have spoken off the reccord saying that VZW is on top of their game, but we've got just as many saying anonomously they're not. So, when we throw in the several thousand/hundred thousand that could and verry well might defect to VZW, we're looking at an interesting situation as it stands. Apart from the advantages of GSM overCDMA, you can't deny that VZW has a slower network on the hole when it comes to data. We're looking at a network 3 times as slow. Though granted, in some ways the way the network latches on to data can make transfers smoother in some situations, its still something to contend with.
Also consider that true, you're going to get the "unlimited" data package when you sign up, but one of VZW's new network policies is to start throttling heavy data users down as they see fit. So while you're getting all that you can consume, its a reality that VZW doesn't think it can handle people running wild on the network, so will be regulating.
Rumor also has it that the iPhone 5 will be running on LTE networks, with faster speeds, greater coverage and more dependability over all. Whith so many people switching to theVZW iPhone 4, it will be interesting to seehow they get many of these people to upgrade and take alittle load off the current gen network technology.
I have no reason what so ever to switch, the network is good in my area, and when people start switching, its only going to get better.
I know many people are going to click the buy button here with out thinking about what they're doing, but its nice to see that many are.

Post 10 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 17:37:27

One word, OK two:
T-Mobile, please?

Post 11 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 07-Feb-2011 22:42:58

I'm going to wait a while myself. I do think the IPhone is the most accessible smart phone there is. There's no doubt about that. I'm sorry I'm tired of dealing with overpriced technology that is always behind like Mobile Speak, and yes Mobile Speak is behind and always will be because technology is moving way too fast. I think I will wait until the IPhone 5 comes out. Maybe VZW will get it in June or whenever it hits shelves. I'm not too worried.:)

Post 12 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Wednesday, 09-Feb-2011 9:32:29

I tend to agree.

Post 13 by jsuh72 (Generic Zoner) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 4:54:21

does this mean, that VZN has the Iphone with there network? I don't think the Android is accessible. I don't want Mobile speak since it's behind and Talks is to expensive.

Post 14 by starfly (99956) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 12:40:32

Explain how moble speak is behind? What makes the Iphone is its voice over free, and a list of apps that have been made excessible. Quite frankly I can and do use a touch screen phone with no keyboard with moble speak. yes i have found some apps that do work with moble speak but you have to take the time to work with them. Kay I am done and I would already have had an Iphone if it was on my wife's network T-mobile.

Post 15 by rat (star trek rules!) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 14:19:54

i used to be all happy that vzw was getting the IPhone but now i'm not going to go near them. i'm on vzw now, and will be buying my own IPhone on AT&T soon, i just don't like the way vzw is handling it

Post 16 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 18:36:38

I'll tell you how mobile speak is behind. They can't keep up with current technology. All their phones are old now. I'm sorry, but to me, MS was not worth it at all.

Post 17 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 18:40:42

It's the same with all "BLIND" technology. It's overpriced and it's already behind when it's released. It's a shame that it's tolerated. I do wish more mainstream companies would make more of an effort to make other devices accessible so we could have some options. Maybe that will come eventually.

Post 18 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 18:46:31

And to the poster who said that what "Makes" the IPhone is it's "Free" built in screen reader, I want to say I agree. Maybe you have more money than I do, but I think a screen reader that works really well with a phone, and that is super easy to use is way better than a 300 dollar piece of software that doesn't even come with a phone. Sorry, but I don't make a lot of money, and what I do spend, I want it to be worth it and I want it to work well and to be easy to use. I don't have an Iphone yet, but I can tell by the Ipod touch that VO is that.:)

Post 19 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Friday, 11-Feb-2011 23:54:36

Agreed, MS only works on windows mobile 6 and cimbion, both of which don't really exist on any modern devices. Both platforms are slow, and honestly can't handle the software as well as advertized. Sure, it works, but its nothing like its honestly made out to be. Is this the case with most products, yes. False advertizing. Though for the price, I honestly felt shafted with the purchace of MS, it was often way way behind, didn't support many features of the phone it was advertized to, and had a positively downing impact on the battery at best. As of now, their is absolutely no reason to purchace MS, unless you're using an older phone, and I truely hope they make a much much better effort on android, that pushes the free solutions to become all that they can b.

Post 20 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 12-Feb-2011 0:38:21

Well said and agree.:)

Post 21 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Saturday, 12-Feb-2011 18:16:54

OK, so I totally jinksed myself. My screen on the TP2 has just died. I've called VZW and I think they are sending me another one. This is my second replacement in a little more than a year. I'm really trying to wait until Sep. 28 which is my upgrade date for several reasons. For one, hopefully VZW will have the IPhone 5 by then.

Post 22 by monkeypusher69 (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 13-Feb-2011 18:05:09

I guess everyone here missed the part at the launch event when verizon and tim cook said they have been testing this phone on the vzw network for y a year now. Also let not forget that that android phones use as much data as iPhones, so i think vzw will be alright for the most part.Though as an AT&T customer, i don't think people on CDMA networks realize how handy it can be at times to have voice and data at the same time. The only real problem here is i don't think foxcom can make these phones fast enough to meet comsumption. I would be very surprised if A) the iPhone 5 is available on verizon in June/July, as apple likes to keep atleast a one year cycle between product refreshes, and B) That the iPhone 5 would be LTE compatible, as this is still relatively new to being rolled out and apple likes for technology to be a little more vetted before investing in it. Remember the original iPhone came out right after AT&T introduced 3G but it wasn't until the second iPhone that it was 3G compatible.

Post 23 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Sunday, 13-Feb-2011 21:32:02

Firstly, to the lack of voice and data being simultaneously supported, that's fine by me. The iPhone is a touch-screen device, which means you have to pull it away from your ear to use both services at the same time. I'm not a fan of bluetooth headsets, so my distain for them alone inhibits me from using this feature. Maybe if I could see, it would be different, but I can't, and I've always had great success with Verizon as a network.
Secondly, to post number 2, Verizon released this phone without a single network hickup. Nobody complained during setup, and the complaints about dropped or lost calls are no more than they were before the launch.
I preordered my iPhone, and got it three days before general launch, a practice which AT&T should've employed before launching their iPhone in 2007. Instead, there were nothing but problems with their servers, which couldn't meet the demand of the device. Verizon built their network before releasing the most popular phone in the world, which was probably smart.
As for my personal experiences with the device, I have had no problem whatsoever with mine, and look forward to using it for a while. Be critical if you like, but I'll take the older technology of Verizon's network over the newer, but not as robust technology of GSM.

Post 24 by starfly (99956) on Monday, 14-Feb-2011 12:43:29

First I like that Iphone, second my HD2 is not old, its processor is faster thenthe 3gs and its camra is 5 mega pixal device. Third, use what you want I will stay fore now with my HD2. If you do not belive mme how fast my device is go lukc it up. 4th I would have an Iphone but it is not sold by t-mobile. here oges, you can not pay me a million dollars to switch to A T and T. I tether a lot and man would A T and T strangle my bill because of my tethering.

Post 25 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 14-Feb-2011 17:53:53

That has NOTHING to do with mobile speak and it's being behind with technology. Is MS compatible with windows mobile 7 phones? NO! That's what I'm talking about. Anything that was put out last year is automatically considered old.

Post 26 by rat (star trek rules!) on Monday, 14-Feb-2011 21:50:32

nothing works with windows 7. nothing can

Post 27 by crazy_cat (Just a crazy cat) on Monday, 14-Feb-2011 22:04:07

Can you tether the IPhone with Verizon, or do they charge you extra for it? And if you really don't want or cannot afford the data plan, can you opt out of it with Verizon like you can with AT & T? I am still not quite sure about using a phone without any buttons on it, or being locked into a new contract, but the idea is starting to grow on me a bit. And then there is the whole fear of dropping the thing, and breaking it. But thanks for all the posts thus far, I greatly appreciate hearing everyone's feedback on using the IPhone on the Verizon network.

Oh, and for all you T Mobile fans, I've got one word for you! Country! As in it does not work when you live out in the country, or at least not in my neck of the woods.

Post 28 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Monday, 14-Feb-2011 22:10:08

Verizon does though. My point exactly Rat.:)

Post 29 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Tuesday, 15-Feb-2011 9:45:03

Crazy, you can tether, but it costs $20 more a month. That's fine by me, as I was paying $60 for an air card, which I no longer have to pay, and you can turn tethering on and off at will, just like any other feature. Of course, if you jailbreak, you can tether for free, but I'd rather leave things stock. As far as breaking the phone, I was afraid of that, too, so I bought an Odder box, which basically puts your phone under armor, and you can do whatever you want to it, but nothing will break.

Post 30 by synthesizer101 (I just keep on posting!) on Tuesday, 15-Feb-2011 13:45:03

Really? So if I opened the window and threw it out, not that I would ever do it, would it survive a...let's say (the highest window I can get to) a four-story fall? I doubt it.

Post 31 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Tuesday, 15-Feb-2011 20:09:21

I thought i'djailbreak just to see, In short, things arn't all that access friendly to a total, but with the sight I have, I was able to get everything working well enough. The biggest drawback is Cydia isn't access friendly, but other apps exist that do the same thing to a degree.

Post 32 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Wednesday, 16-Feb-2011 13:40:04

Ok, so eiher you all are being duped or I just got a representative who didn't know what she was talking about. Because a few weeks ago I called AT&T's National Center for Customers with Disabilities to request that form to opt out of the data plan or at least the fee. I don't see myself downloading much but since he plan is actually required to even run te phone I got te 250-MB one which costs fifteen bucks extra. Well the woman agreed to send the form, but apparently she didn't update my address when I gave it to her and so the form was apparently sent to my folks' place. Long story sort I didn't receie the paperwork. Well I called again a few weeks ago to ask about this and got a different rep. She told me that the IPhone and Blackbury are not included in the program to opt out of the data plan. I could get voice commands and directory assisance but not the data plan, at least not according to this woman. So I'm not sure what to believe. My folks apparently do have the paperwork so if nothing elseI couldfil it out and send it in but given what I was told most recently I'm wondering if I should even bother.

Post 33 by forereel (Just posting.) on Thursday, 17-Feb-2011 13:56:28

Lot of good points here.

Post 34 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Sunday, 20-Feb-2011 12:35:27

What I'd like to know is why a rep at the National Center for Customers with Disabilities told me the IPhone didn't qualify for that Data Plan program thingy if people are apparently able to get it. And if that happens to be true, then why the hell the original rep I talked to to request the form didn't tell me straight out that I was wasting my time. The form is apparently at my folks' place so I'm wondering if I should submit it anyway.

Post 35 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Sunday, 20-Feb-2011 15:03:30

the iPhone is always connected to the network and constantly updates using the data so I can see why it's not available to opt out of a data plan with the iPhone. Remember that it also uses visual voicemail which in turn means your voicemails are actually downloaded to your phone. The blackberry is strictly a messaging phone so it would make sense why it isn't available for those either. The blackberry needs a connection to the internet for a lot of its business aps and for the messaging features it has.
As for the iPhone on verizon thing, personally I'm happy to see it on verizon. Though I like AT &T myself a lot better for several reasons I'm glad to see that verizon customers can finally see the awesomeness of the iPhone's accessibility. My friend has an android phone, it's a g2 from tMobile, and he claimes it's the best thing out there because most of their aps are free, and he finds gestures much easier than iPhone gestures. I personally don't mind iPhone gestures especially when there are multiple gestures for one thing.

Post 36 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Monday, 21-Feb-2011 16:40:58

I know it's required to run the phone, that's not what I was talking about. I've gotten the impression from comments made here on the boards that some people were able to get the fee waved.

Post 37 by Jesse (Hmm!) on Tuesday, 22-Feb-2011 7:13:18

If a phone *requires* data in order to even function, then why should we get the fee waved because we're blind? I'm for equal rights, not more rights because of disability. If I'm using data, I will pay for it. Also, you can't argue that there are no other accessible phones without data plans anymore, as Verizon has the Haven, a non-data product, which is fully accessible.
I can understand being able to opt out of data plans if you're using Windows Mobile 6, as those phones don't require data at all. In fact, up till recently, nobody had to subscribe to data on those phones, but again, since iPhone updates itself constantly, it needs the data subscription.

Post 38 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 22-Feb-2011 7:45:51

correction windows 6.5 does require a data plain because some of the apps you use on there will use your data plan I promise you that! I have one. I have the HD2 and it's GPS program requires a data plan to update itself.

Post 39 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Tuesday, 22-Feb-2011 14:05:15

Not all windows phones require a data plan. Further more, this wasn't about getting the data fee waved on AT&T, some people managed to get them to turn off data all together. How they did this, i'm not sure, but that's why they didn't need to pay for it. Not because they were getting a free ride. I to am in favor of equal rights. I'm blind, this only means that I lack vision, not that i am not capable of budgeting and picking a phone that I have the means to pay for, which was why most of those people that got the data turned off did it.

Post 40 by BryanP22 (Novice theriminist) on Tuesday, 22-Feb-2011 15:31:31

How did they turn the data off altogether and still run the phone though? If it's actuallyrequired to run the phone I would think tat would cause problems. I just wanted to be clear on all this. Yeah I want to save a little money if I can and therefore will sometimes take a discount based on blindness, but only when it's offered. Yeah I'll find out if there are any for a given busness or what have you but if not I'll pay full price. That's why I downgraded my service plan when I got on my own contract and upgraded to the IPhone. By getting a smaller minute plan and data plan (although I did keep unlimited texting), I made it more likely I would be able to pay the data plan fee if it did turn out it couldn't be waved. I do wish some people had been more clear about that though, and not just on the Zone.

Post 41 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Tuesday, 22-Feb-2011 16:33:05

they gave up visual voicemail, so those don't get downloaded by data, and the rest is easy enough. I'm not sure why the company allowed this, but hey.

Post 42 by forereel (Just posting.) on Tuesday, 22-Feb-2011 22:45:10

Well the company alolows other services free too, such as information, visual voicemail, speed dial on some plans, Talks, and Mobile speaks free, or at a major discount. Why, because we need these services to use the devices as a sighted person does without them, so if they offer data, or lack of the data plan, because most of use won't probably use it at all why not? It's not a matter of getting something free it's a matter of leveling the field some. If you are in the melitary, or national guard you get a reduced pride on the plan data and all, so we aren't the only once benefiting. Some companies and such even get better pricing.

Post 43 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Wednesday, 23-Feb-2011 6:26:48

To poster 39, we know that windows 6.5 requires a data plan because of apps. The previous poster mentioned windows mobile 6 not 6.5

Post 44 by Striker (Consider your self warned, i'm creative and offensive like handicap porn.) on Wednesday, 23-Feb-2011 15:51:45

Ah, thought i'd written 6.5. For the reccord, I have seen 6.5 phones that do and do not require data, so, mabie blanket statements such as those presented above are inept at best on both sides. It is alittle more carrior spasific, in some cases. I probably should have corrected my previous post before posting it.

Post 45 by starfly (99956) on Thursday, 24-Feb-2011 9:22:49

smile! cool, not many have my phone nor want it. It takes some getting used to and moblespeak has some issues needing to bee worked out. Any to those who have an Iphone on VZ cool!. I am just hoping it comes to t-mobile. Currently if you port the Iphone over to t-mobile you have to disable the 3g function of the Iphone and no thanks. If any of you have not have to do this let me know.

Post 46 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Thursday, 24-Feb-2011 21:03:56

Here's the clincher, though I tend to find myself in agreement with Jesse for the most part:

Companies like AT&T need to have non-data options that are accessible, I think. Not all families buying plans are buying data, and I realize many on here are young so don't know this: If you're the provider, and you happen to be blind, but more importantly you're responsible, your dependents' needs often come before yours, whether or not you need something adapted or whatever. You pick your carrier for all the options - maybe unlimited texts so the young fools can click and flick away at each other while sitting across the room from each other, put the parents and other relatives who need it on the 'favorites' list - so you get more calls with them per month should you / (more important) they, need them, and the long list goes on.
At the end of that list comes you, and how are you gonna use that shiny brick of a phone. My opinion, this will all get solved when we all go mobile and dump paying for expensive in-home cable and Internet plans, then just buy data plans with mobile carriers. I see the younger members of my family doing it, have encouraged and helped them in doing it, and see it working out really well even for them in college. However moving entire family infrastructures that way is a lot more difficult. I just can't see, for instance, adding a $30 data plan per month to a phone bill, whether I can see or not.
Now, if you're on Verizon and don't want data, get the Haven or the other talking phones: they'll be better than the piece of shit I used to have on there, which froze when I needed to call suppliers back / not really a very good solution running a business.
In short, you don't need data? Get a dumb phone.
But neither T-Mobile nor AT&T have dumb phones that talk. And to this day, a majority of phones sold on the market are dumb phones with no data. Data is growing, yes, but as Jesse said, it's for those with it in the budget. I've heard the blind-should-buy-this--blah-blah before and frankly, were I sighted in that instance, I'd be buying a dumb phone because I didn't have the dough for a monthly data plan.
Were I some of you, I'd diss the cable bill, get you a Verizon phone and tether it / use it for data. That'll work if you're young, single and on the move. It'll work for the rest of us in awhile, just not quite yet.
Anyway there are far more reasons than the phone for why people choose a carrier. For most people, the phone is still the last decision made: it's all about the calling, texting and other options. The exception are the data users, a group into which I would jump if circumstances were different.
If I were Verizon, I'd stick to my guns and say no data, no iPhone. But they can, because their phones talk, or at least some of them. AT&T and T-Mobile are another story: I got my older phone through the Internet, off here actually, and it works.
But if we were actually going to talk, measure for measure, blind and sighted as equal, there'd be dumb phones on all the carriers, which talked. No sexy features, just a phone book, texts, voicemail, etc. But hell, that's what a majority of phone purchasers even now are still looking for.
Not everyone's gonna tell their entire family: "You're gonna have to sacrifice, I know T-Mobile has all these call features that would benefit everyone else, but because of one persom, me, you'll all have to truck along to Verizon so I can get a phone that talks." That's just not gonna happen. So much so I was just this side of going phoneless since I couldn't go buy a data plan. If I could have bought a dumb phone on T-Mobile like my wife did, and actually use it, it would have been equal.
So Verizon customers can act responsibly with this and just buy a dumb phone if they're not going to buy data. But the rest of the carriers are rather screwed this way.

Post 47 by forereel (Just posting.) on Thursday, 24-Feb-2011 22:47:21

I have heard you say about your family before and that being the reason you don't switch to A T T and now Verizon, because you are the last person that matters. Okay I do understand the family issue and provider setup, but what I am interested in is have you actually compared family plans with other services? Maybe it can be that you can get all the young people free handsets, and unlimited text and you and the wife plans that work great for a good, or even better plan price? I also know that Verizon allows you to limit the young ones access to stuff, amounts of texting and such to keep the bill lower. Maybe checking might get you the best of both?

Post 48 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Friday, 25-Feb-2011 17:24:27

First off, by saying I'm last in line in this instance was not a complaint. Every single provider on here knows that: No matter what the kiddies say, theirs generally comes first.
But as for us: What we have with T-mobile doesn't exist anymore and frankly I wish it did: We benefit, but so would a ton of other people. We're grandfathered into a 'favs' plan where we can put non-t-mobile customers on a call list, so their numbers are just like calling another t-mobile number.

On the other hand, I know people who have selected AT&T because of the rollover minutes, something they got from Cingular, and nobody else has taken advantage of.
There are just a lot of factors that get considered, and my point was simply that accessibility (unless I was buying strictly for myself) tends to end up as one of the latter concerns, as it affects only one person. There's nothing personal about that, it's just life: majority rules, it always has.
And for us, unlimited texts ended up being cheper than some of the limited and blocking plans. Also, far far cheaper to pay 5 bucks or so and add another phone than it is to go get a new plan.

So, when it comes to me needing data, I'll probably just go get a cube from Clear Wireless or something, tether my iPod to it, which only I use so it can be as accessible as I need, always speech on.
My point earlier was simply that for most people making the financial commitment a lot happens before you pick a phone. There is no equal access until there's dumb phones that talk and have hearing aids compatibility for those who need them, on the major networks. It's great they're on Verizon but that's gonna depend on what a given family needs.

Post 49 by faithful angel (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Sunday, 27-Feb-2011 12:04:26

Is the haven compatible with Mobile Speak? I've actually not heard about this phone. Just curious.

Post 50 by The Lil Dark Piggy (This site is so "educational") on Sunday, 27-Feb-2011 14:33:07

Well I think VZW hsould of waited until they roled out their LTE network, and then roled out the iphone.

Post 51 by starfly (99956) on Monday, 28-Feb-2011 8:31:41

The haven has its own speech built in no need fore mobile speak. Leo I agree with you which is why I am not moving carriers because they have the Phone. That would brake my bank and kill me money wise because its 2 of us moving not one.

Post 52 by LeoGuardian (You mean there is something outside of this room with my computer in it?) on Monday, 28-Feb-2011 17:38:36

Note that most of what you read on mobile phones / devices are written by latte-drinkin' iPod-swingin' hipsters who work at the local co-op and room ten to a house via Craigslist anyway. In other words, they haven't yet started the whole business of making the sorts of tradeoffs adults tend to when they support more than just themselves. This is why a majority of the phones still purchased today aren't represented.
Samsung has a ton of them, even shiny pretty things my daughter and friends all use.
Even the dumbest of phones now has an email program and a mini web browser.
We just need to get one dumb phone per carrier, because almost nobody buys a phone for the carrier. The iPhone was the only exception, where you had long long lines of this odd but colorful mixture of ornamental rich folk and pacifier-chewing ravers all queued up there waiting to pass through the chute and get the very first iPhone on the market. But, despite the media coverage and how much you may have got a good laugh out of the spectacle, in terms of total phone sales, this was really small.
And that isn't the iPhone's or Apple's fault: That's because we don't have the proper infrastructure where you buy data / phone / whatever the way you pay for electricity: No weird contracts with print so small ants need glasses to read it, no tiered systems the way we have now. Can you imagine, for those of you who pay a water bill yet, how it would be if you had to sign a two-year lease on water? And only a certain amount per month before you start paying astronomical amounts per gallon?
Unheard of, and the electric companies in the 1890s in New York had to either quit that or get run out of town. Yet, since the latter part of the 1980s, we've accepted this structure, if we can call it that, from mobile carriers.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not opposed to charging for data. Just make it simple, meter the data the way electricity and other similar resources get metered, and be done with it. When that happens, and I'm firmly convinced eventually it'll have to happen, more people will just buy into a mobile data network the same way you buy electricity or buy water and sewer, or buy your landline service.

Post 53 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 01-Mar-2011 13:02:40

besides as leo said t-moble has plans that are afordaboe, fit peoples budget who has to support more then just themselves and some actually off a unlimited plane. Hmm who would of thunk of it.

Post 54 by blw1978 (I'll have the last word, thank you!) on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2011 1:16:55

Hi, I'm due to upgrade my phone with Vorizon in September. Can anyone give me a basic cost per month estimate? I mean, the least amount of minutes and data? I'll only need one line. I currently am on the 450 anytime minutes plan, as I don't talk a ton on my phone. Also, if I get an IPhone, I'll need an accessible manual. I'm not familiar with all the gestures required to operate the phone. Does the Apple website have an accessible manual? Any advice would be great.

Post 55 by jessmonsilva (Taking over the boards, one topic at a time.) on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2011 4:09:11

there is an accessible voiceover manual on apple, as well as plenty of podcasts and other sites explaining how to use voiceover. To the person saying TMobile has the faves thing, At & T just totally beat that by not only having rollover minutes, but to those who have a family plan and have unlimitted text messaging, people can now call any cell phone from any carrier and can also receive calls from any cell phone carrier. Land lines are still out of the deal but again that is what the minutes and rollover minutes are for. Also, while i find at & t to be expensive, I find verizon to be even more expensive and I'll find it interesting now that TMobile is taking at & t's offer to see how it affects their cell phone plans as well.

Post 56 by starfly (99956) on Tuesday, 22-Mar-2011 5:42:34

As I said earlier its going to screw us T-mobile users if they drop their unlimited plan. I bet when some lime who wants to upgrade later just saying will have to drop their old plan bee moved over to A T and T's plan. While that maybe fine fore most of you its not me. A lot of you do not have a wife who would eat my minutes like its her fave food. This might bee a laughing matter but to me it is no laughing matter at all. Lastly lets not fore get that if they drop unlimited texting is game over fore me, nope not even that fore get having a plan it will bee killed with my wife's texting habbits.

Post 57 by singingsensation (I just keep on posting!) on Friday, 05-Aug-2011 16:58:15

To the poster who needs an accessible manual for the iPhone, check out www.nbp.org. The book is called Getting Started with the iPhone, it's 18 bucks, but it's really worth it!

Post 58 by Ukulele<3 (Try me... You know you want to.) on Saturday, 06-Aug-2011 21:47:25

Wow. I don't think you need a book at all. It's pretty self-explanatory. I won't say I'm a total master at using my iphone but I get around it just fine. I love my phone. And before I switched my plan to having unlimited minutes, I had the 450 min plan, unlimited texting, unlimited data and insurance on my iphone and my bill came to $107 a month. VZW doesn't have unlimited data plans anymore though. I'm so glad I got grandfathered in! Hope this helps.

Post 59 by singingsensation (I just keep on posting!) on Sunday, 02-Oct-2011 12:02:29

I don't think AT&T has unlimited anymore. However, there 2GB plan is $5 cheaper than Verizon's. I learned most of the stuff through just experimenting, but I did get the book to help give me suggestions and other cool things too.

Post 60 by singingsensation (I just keep on posting!) on Wednesday, 07-Mar-2012 17:17:54

BTW I have the iPhone 4S now from Verizon and love it!